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Monday Memo: Stop Selling Commercials

By Holland Cooke
Consultant

imgNo, don’t stop selling them entirely. But you have lots more in your repertoire, including the shiny objects advertisers are now buying instead of commercials… and the trust that can drive attention to them.

The Big Idea: Local retailers don’t want commercials. They want attention, trustworthiness, customer traffic and sales.

Stop selling containers

“60-second spots” describes what the station delivers, not what the advertiser receives. Example: Help a bank or insurance agent or some other local business sound like an institution, because listeners associate it with weather. Increasingly it is extreme, often suddenly. Via repetition, you have pre-sold “the WXXX Unibank Storm Center Forecast” that will enable listeners when conditions threaten their routine.

And don’t just sell ‘em that intro, and the ROS 60s that explain the advertiser’s outcome. When I meet with client station reps, we brainstorm how to flex each of their various platforms to do what it does best:

  • Live on-air broadcast (now referred to as “the linear feed” by competitors who sell all the other stuff): Spots deliver reach, repetition, urgency, credibility, #1 in-car audio.
  • Streaming: Extends the linear feed to that-thing-in-the-pocket-we-used-to-call-a-phone – and on the smart speakers that resurrected in-home listening. On both: the sponsor’s pre-roll.
  • Podcasts and/or weekend ask-the-expert shows: Demonstrate expertise in next-level-of-detail, enhancing trustworthiness. An attorney isn’t buying airtime. She is becoming the local voice people already trust when they eventually need an attorney. Real estate agents I work with pre-sell themselves this way.
  • Station website: Explain, register, download, redeem.
  • Email and text database: Reach listeners directly, and with alerts.
  • Social media: Show faces, link to clips, encourage sharing and interaction.
  • Events: Personal contact unavailable from streams or SiriusXM.

Selling “digital” as a mysterious add-on misses the point. Each platform should move the prospect closer to the desired outcome.

Bundle what only you can offer

  • Got major league play-by-play? When you take a client or prospect to a game, bring ‘em up to the booth. Introduce them to the radio voices, who will pose for selfies with that great view of the field or rink down below. Those pictures will be on Facebook THE MINUTE your guests get back to their seats.
  • Breakfast with your morning show cast?
  • VIP concert experience? Make up some laminated logo’d lanyard passes.
  • Private tasting event?
  • WHAT OTHER “access to restricted areas” can you come up with?

Try this, with American Heart Month ahead in February (and National Wear Red Day on Friday February 5):

Stage a “Know Your Numbers” event, offering free screenings for high blood pressure – quick, painless, familiar and broadly relevant. If available, cholesterol screening, and/or cardio-vascular risk questionnaire.

Prospects: fitness centers – or ANY retailer who wants traffic. Incentives could include same-day store coupon for everyone screened; or enter-to-win smartwatch/fitness tracker, gym membership, or a heart-healthy grocery basket.

Sure, spots-R-us, but they’re just one asset in your inventory.

When a prospective client says “We tried radio. It didn’t work,” I ask to hear the commercial 

Within seconds I can tell why. It opens with the business name. It lists products. It rattles off prices. It stuffs in an address, a website, a phone number, and a slogan. Then it ends. Nothing happened. Nothing memorable. Nothing emotional. Nothing that gave a listener a reason to care. Yet radio gets blamed. Like blaming a fishing rod because you cast with no bait.

FREE for TALKERS subscribers, my E-book “The Outcome Method: A Storytelling Framework for More Effective Local Advertising.” [PDF]  

Holland Cooke (HollandCooke.com) is a consultant working the intersection of broadcasting and the Internet. Follow HC on Twitter @HollandCooke and connect on LinkedIn

Industry Views

Remembering My Friend, Mike Horn

By Doug Stephan
CEO, Stephan Multimedia

imgThe phone would ring; I recognized the number… call always started the same… in his best radio voice, “Doug Stephan…. Michael Horn”

And then it was off with a deal or a discussion of my show “Good Day”… or chatting about his daughter… or the latest person he reached out to help.

I don’t remember meeting Mike… our friendship just sort of fell into place. I knew him before I was at KABC, Los Angeles – probably from a TALKERS convention… it’s not important. What was important is that I knew him.

He often referred to me as brother, which played well at the many family get togethers he and his daughter Jen would invite me to at his house where there was always a collection of CRN luminaries, from Bill Shatner to Fred Dryer, to everyone from his family and extended family. I was grateful to be remembered.

I was also grateful to Mike for so much more… not sure I ever really told him that in so many words.

He was a helper.  We shared the philosophy of being on this planet to help, and because the business – even though it had a fabulous, exciting side – was and is cruel.

So many fabulous personalities would think they were at the end of their career, and Mike would throw them his lifeline. Look at the list of people who have been a part of CRN over the years, and as you look at that list, see how diverse their programming and backgrounds. There was room for everyone under Mike’s tent.

From the time when I started the syndicated “Good Day” program… through today, He has carried every program I ever did.

He was so proud of his daughter. Frankly, I’ve known Jennifer Horn most of her life. She learned early about the business from all sides. As his trusted and confident partner, they nursed and nourished CRN from the awkward beginnings of that weird technology to today’s “everybody can get everything” platforms, the astonishing thing is that CRN still holds that unique position of being so helpful to so many people on either end of the signal. I remember the day he convinced me to try putting Jennifer on the air with me. She was so bright, fun and quick, and then he said to me… “Don’t you think it’s about time you stated paying her?!!!!”

Yes… and away that train went. I have no misconceptions. Even though he carried my stuff on one of his channels, the “Good Day” show with Jen ended up on ALL his assets. Go figure.

Those of you who know me know I could go on and on about Mike, but I think I’ve made my point. Mike was all about knowing his way around and figuring stuff out. I remember a movie I was watching and there is a helicopter reporters voice… It was Mike! Fun!

He was the number one helper and fixer in LA. and hundreds of people owe him big time thanks for all he did to help friends, no matter their stripes or requests. His being an idea guy with a broad canvas made it all work… not easily, but no one was ever left out to dry.

God love you, Michael. The many years of friendship and great memories will be with me and so many others forever. You lived a unique life of purpose and distinction.

Doug Stephan, CEO of Stephan Multimedia,  is a veteran talk radio personality, producer and entrepreneur. He can be reached by phone at 424-508-2525 or emailed at doug@dougstephan.onmicrosoft.com.

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DEA Honors John and Margo Catsimatidis, WABC Radio’s ‘Back the Blue’ Team for Standing With NYPD Detectives

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By Robert Pearl

The Detectives’ Endowment Association honored 77 WABC Radio owners John and Margo Catsimatidis (pictured above) as its 2026 People of the Year, recognizing their longstanding commitment to New York’s law enforcement community and the influential role of WABC’s “Back the Blue” team in bringing the voices and concerns of police officers and detectives to the public.

The awards dinner, held October 8 at Russo’s On The Bay in Howard Beach, Queens, marked the 109th year of the DEA, which represents the men and women of the NYPD who investigate the city’s most serious crimes. DEA president Scott Munro and the association’s leadership welcomed law enforcement representatives, supporters and distinguished guests for an evening celebrating service, sacrifice and the partnerships that sustain the department’s mission.

For the DEA, recognizing the Catsimatidis and WABC was about more than media visibility. It acknowledged the importance of having influential business leaders and broadcasters willing to stand publicly with the men and women who protect New York, particularly at a time when the challenges facing law enforcement remain a subject of intense public debate.

“Back the Blue” honorees included WABC personalities Sid Rosenberg, Dominic Carter, Rita Cosby and Greg Kelly, whose programs and commentary give law enforcement issues a prominent place in the station’s coverage. Through interviews, news discussions and dedicated segments, the team helps bring the realities of police work, the sacrifices of officers and the concerns of their families to a broad audience.

Munro emphasized the importance of that platform, noting that WABC provides detectives with a voice and helps communicate their experiences to New Yorkers. He also praised John and Margo Catsimatidis for their philanthropy, civic leadership and longstanding support for police and community initiatives.

John Catsimatidis, the self-made businessman whose Red Apple Group interests include supermarkets, energy and real estate, has built WABC into an important part of his New York business portfolio. His weekday program, “Cats & Cosby,” features Rita Cosby, while “The Cats Roundtable” airs on weekends. Margo Catsimatidis has also played a significant role in the couple’s business and charitable endeavors.

Their support extends well beyond broadcasting. For decades, the couple has supported the Police Athletic League, including holiday initiatives for children, and contributed to charitable, civic and medical causes. Their work reflects an understanding that public safety involves not only policing but also investing in young people and strengthening the communities officers serve.

During his remarks, John Catsimatidis recalled the couple’s longstanding involvement with youth programs and the importance of giving children opportunities to succeed. Such efforts, alongside their backing of law enforcement, demonstrate how private-sector leadership can complement the work of public servants.

Rosenberg, host of “Sid & Friends in the Morning,” praised the Catsimatidis and spoke directly about the difficulties officers face. He stressed that detectives and police officers deserve recognition, fair treatment and the support of public officials as they confront the risks inherent in their work.

The evening also recognized actor, producer and singer Donnie Wahlberg with the Detective Steven McDonald Humanitarian Award. Best known to many viewers for portraying NYPD Detective Danny Reagan on “Blue Bloods,” Wahlberg has supported the DEA and its Widows’ and Children’s Fund. Unable to attend because of filming commitments, he delivered a video message expressing gratitude and directing attention to detectives and the families of fallen officers.

The association presented its inaugural President’s Award to Steven Palladino, its director of interagency community partnerships, honoring his service, philanthropy and commitment to detectives and their families. Munro cited Palladino’s work helping raise more than $200,000 for line-of-duty families over the preceding two years.

The program included the NYPD Honor Guard, Emerald Society Pipes and Drums, the national anthem, invocation and dinner, bringing together members of law enforcement and their supporters.

As New York marks the 25th anniversary of September 11, the gathering carried particular significance. The DEA continues to remember detectives and other NYPD members killed that day, as well as those who later died from illnesses related to their service.

The awards underscored a central message: law enforcement cannot stand alone. Support from community leaders, charitable partners and a prominent media organization such as WABC helps ensure that detectives’ work, sacrifices and concerns remain part of the public conversation. For the DEA, the Catsimatidis and the “Back the Blue” team represent partners willing to use their resources and reach to stand alongside New York’s Finest.

Robert Pearl is a Brooklyn-based journalist who writes about New York City media, politics, and culture.  He can be emailed at pearlknows@yahoo.com.

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Bob Pittman Featured Guest at BFoA’s Media Mixer

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Pictured above is iHeartMedia chairman and CEO Bob Pittman (left) with Premiere Networks-syndicated DJ Fred of “The Fred Show” during a sit-down interview at the Broadcasters Foundation of America’s Media Mixer in Chicago on October 7, the day before the Radio Hall of Fame induction ceremony. BFoA says more than 150 broadcast professionals attended the networking, educational, and social event.

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Jeff Katz Helps Lead “Shredtoberfest”

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Pictured above is WRVA, Richmond afternoon drive talk host Jeff Katz helping the Central Virginia-based non-profit organization “Tech For Troops” which provides education and training for veterans who are returning to civilian life and/or seeking new careers post service. The group also accepts donations of electronics which it then repairs and provides free of charge to vets. Katz created “Shredtoberfest” in which – for a $5.00 donation – community members had their old hard drives shredded all while enjoying beer, brats, pretzels and a going away gift donated by Jeff.

Job Opportunity

Lotus Seattle Seeks PT Anchor-Reporter

Lotus Seattle’s all-news KNWN-AM/FM “Northwest Newsradio 97.7 FM and AM 1000” is seeking a dynamic and experienced part-time news anchor, reporter, and news editor. Lotus says, “The ideal imgcandidate will help prepare and deliver engaging news content, report on breaking news events, serve as a board operator for special programming, and produce special projects and programming as assigned. The part-time position fulfills a combination of needs for our station on weekends.” Candidates must submit an audio demonstration of their on-air ability with their resume and be prepared to take a writing test if requested. Please submit resumes and required audio demonstrations to hr@lotusseattle.com.

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Industry Mourns Passing of CRN Digital Talk Founder Mike Horn

CRN Digital Talk Radio Networks founder Mike Horn has died at 74, after a long illness. Horn – then an air personality on KFI-AM, Los Angeles founded Cable Radio Network in 1983 as a service that provided commercial radio programming to local cable television systems. After imglearning that KMET, Los Angeles was earning ratings in the Phoenix market because it was airing on a local cable system, he launched the radio-on-television concept in the San Fernando Valley on cable provider King Cable. The business grew from there as Horn got more local cable systems to use CRN. Years later, Horn transitioned CRN from music to talk programming as CRN Talk and finally to CRN Digital Talk Radio in 2007. In addition to providing celebrities such as Ed McMahon, Robert Conrad and talk radio legend Barry Farber with platforms for talk shows, Horn himself hosted programs centered on his interests in food and wine. Horn’s daughter Jennifer Horn serves as the vice president of CRN Digital Talk Radio and is the host of “The Morning Answer” on Salem Media’s KRLA, Los Angeles and KTIE, San Bernardino.

TALKERS publisher Michael Harrison issued the following statement on the passing of Michael J. Horn, “Mike Horn was a true talk radio hero. He had the vision of an eagle, the ears of a programmer, and a heart of pure gold. His ingenious invention – ‘CRN’ – provided the industry for decades with an ever-evolving alternative platform for a wide variety of programs, running the gamut from undiscovered gems to pre-maturely discarded treasures.”

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TALKERS News Notes

FSR Debuts College Alumni-Focused Series. FOX Sports Radio, a division of Premiere Sports Network, launches, “Who We Are: Penn State,” the first podcast in the new “Who We Are” alumni-focused podcast franchise, hosted by FOX Sports Radio host and former Penn State All-American linebacker LaVar Arrington.

CBA Announces Award Winners and Hall of Fame Indictees. The Connecticut Broadcasters Association enshrined its class of 2026 Hall of Fame inductees and presented CBA awards to  winners at the Aqua Turf Club in Plantsville on Wednesday (10/7). Among the award winners was WTIC-AM, Hartford’s “Nighttime Neighbors” – hosted by Morgan Cunningham – winning Best Talk Show (Radio).

KUT, Austin Adds Three to Newsroom. KUT Public Media brings three new staffers aboard as multimedia journalist and cinematographer Brian Diggs, award-winning investigative reporter Toluwani Osibamowo, and former Texas Standard intern Charlie Sharpe join KUT News and The Texas Newsroom. KUT says the hires “expand our ability to serve Central Texans through compelling visual storytelling, investigative reporting that holds powerful institutions accountable and deeper reporting on issues affecting older Central Texans and their families.

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Top News/Talk Media Stories This Past Week (October 5-9)

Here are the most talked about stories of the past week (10/5-9) on news/talk radio and related talk media according to TALKERS:

Stories

  1. Midterm Elections / Trump on Campaign Trail
  2. The Economy / Gas Prices
  3. Iran War / B1s Leave UK Air Base
  4. AI Concerns / Data Center Controversies
  5. Cornell Protests / France Protests
  6. New SCOTUS Term
  7. Russian Pneumonic Plague Case
  8. CNN Absorbed by Skydance
  9. Christa Pike Case
  10. Hurricane Isaias

People

  1. Donald Trump
  2. Ken Paxton / James Talarico
  3. Abdul El-Sayed / Mike Rogers
  4. Scott Bessent
  5. Dario Amodei
  6. Sam Altman
  7. Jensen Huang
  8. Xi Jinping
  9. Vladimir Putin
  10. Christa Pike

To see the full TALKERS Stories, Topics, and People Charts, please click HERE.

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AI Doesn’t Clear the Rights

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By Matthew B. Harrison
TALKERS, VP/Associate Publisher
Harrison Media Law, Senior Partner
Goodphone Communications, Executive Producer

imgYour competitor breaks a story. You can report the facts, but you cannot assume that running its article through AI makes the resulting script yours to use. A rewrite button is not a rights-clearance department.

A September federal appeals court ruling supplies a useful reminder. Ross Intelligence used Westlaw’s editorial summaries of judicial decisions to train a competing AI legal-research service. The Third Circuit rejected its fair use defense: the underlying court opinions were available, but Westlaw’s original summaries carried copyright protection.

The court focused on Ross’s commercial competition, similar purpose, and market harm. Using AI did not make that copying fair. Ross’s tool was not generative AI, however, so the ruling does not decide every dispute involving chatbots or AI-written scripts.

For broadcasters, the distinction is familiar. Nobody owns the fact that the mayor resigned; somebody may own the original language explaining what happened. Fair use can permit borrowing for reporting or commentary, but neither attribution nor changing a few words automatically resolves the copyright question.

Follow the facts, write your account, and evaluate what you borrow. Expect the same consideration when someone uses your material. AI can speed up production. It cannot supply permission you never obtained.

Matthew B. Harrison is a media and intellectual property attorney who advises radio hosts, content creators, and creative entrepreneurs. He has written extensively on fair use, AI law, and the future of digital rights. Reach him at Matthew@HarrisonMediaLaw.com or read more at TALKERS.com.

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Crime Junkie Stays Atop Podtrac’s September 2026 Top Podcasts Chart

Podtrac releases its Top Podcasts chart for September 2026 based on U.S. unique monthly audience for participating networks and imgAudioChuck’s “Crime Junkie” maintains its hold on the #1 slot, with The New York Times’ “The Daily” at #2, followed by NPR’s “NPR News Now” at #3. Notable changes from the August chart include The New York Times’ “The Ezra Klein Show” falling four places to #16 and DailyWire’s “Morning Wire” rising six places to #19. See the complete chart here.

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Edison: YouTube Dominates as #1 Podcast Platform

Edison Research is reporting that its Edison Podcast Metrics data indicates that as of Q3 2026, YouTube has the highest percentage of imgU.S. weekly podcast consumers who say it’s the platform they use most often to consume podcasts. Edison says, “Podcast content on YouTube has dramatically changed the entire ecosystem and continues to gain ground as a destination for podcast consumption. Spotify ranks second, with 17% of weekly podcast consumers saying that it is the platform they use most often for podcasts. Apple Podcasts follows at 9%, remaining ahead of many other podcast platforms but accounting for a smaller percentage than in the past.”

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AWMF Announces Gracies Call for Entries

The Alliance for Women in Media Foundation announces the call for entries is open for the 52nd Annual Gracie Awards that recognize outstanding programming and individual achievement created by, for and about women across television, streaming, radio, podcasting and digital media. AWMF president Becky Brooks says, “Each imgyear, the Gracie Awards recognize work that does more than capture attention; it informs, entertains and ensures women’s voices and perspectives are seen and heard. The entries we receive reflect the breadth and impact of work reaching audiences across platforms and communities. We look forward to honoring the content that moved audiences in 2026 and continuing the Gracies’ long-standing investment in the people who will shape what comes next.” National winners will be honored at the Gracies Gala on May 25, 2027, at the Beverly Wilshire in Beverly Hills, California and local and student winners will be celebrated at the Gracies Luncheon on June 15, 2027, at Cipriani on 42nd Street in New York. Find more information here.

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Derek Egeberg Brings KBLU, Yuma Back to Life

Local businessman Derek Egeberg announces he’s acquired KBLU-AM, Yuma, Arizona and is relaunching the station as a news/talk outlet. Egeberg had hosted a weekend financial show on the station for years when former owner El Dorado Broadcasting took the station dark. He decided to take on the task of buying and imgreinventing the station. He posted to Facebook: “Eighty-six years ago, this station was created right here in Yuma as a local voice for local people. Over time, like many great American institutions, KBLU became part of larger corporate ownership. But now the story changes. KBLU is once again locally owned, locally operated, and locally directed. This is more than a radio station changing hands. This is a comeback story… And we’re proud to announce that ‘The Russ Clark Show’ is back on the air weekdays from 6:00 am to 9:00 am. That matters because local radio should sound like the community it serves. It should know the streets, the businesses, the families, the farmers, the veterans, the first responders, the leaders, and the heartbeat of Yuma.” The station will feature programming from Premiere Networks, including Sean Hannity, “The Clay & Buck Show,” Michael Berry, “Our American Stories,” and more.

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iHeartMedia Moves “The Huddle” to Afternoons in Milwaukee and Madison

Local sports talk outlet WOKY “FOX Sports 920” is moving “The Huddle,” starring Drew Olson, Billy Schmid and Armen Saryan, imgfrom morning drive to the 2:00 pm to 5:00 pm daypart beginning on Monday (10/12).  The program also airs on iHeartMedia’s Madison sports talker WTSO “1070 The Game.” The move is happening in part so the hosts and cover evening Green Bay Packers games and not have to turn around and get up before dawn. The station will air “2 Pros and a Cup of Joe” starring LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, and Jonas Knox.

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“Superfans Are Driving Podcast Usage Now”

By Holland Cooke
Consultant

imgThe “Pareto Principle” is a rule-of-thumb that roughly 80% of revenue comes from about 20% of customers, in many industries. Including radio, where so-called “First Preference” or “P1” listeners – those who listen to your station most – contribute most of your Time Spent Listening.

Ditto for podcasting, where 17% of podcast listeners are the ballgame, according to Point-To-Point Marketing and Strategic Solutions Research. If you missed Tuesday’s webinar “The Podcast Study: Turning Listeners/Viewers Into Superfans,” here’s the deck – and an appetizer: They listen while commuting, cautionary to broadcasters’ in-car dominance and opportune for podcasters.

This research also fleshes-out who these “Superfans” are, how to engage them, and how NOT to tune-them-out.

Holland Cooke (HollandCooke.com) is a consultant working the intersection of broadcasting and the Internet. Follow HC on Twitter @HollandCooke and connect on LinkedIn

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Audacy: NFL Season is a Boon for Audio Advertisers

The latest from Audacy Insights centers around its NFL Attention Index that analyzes the habits of “die-hard” NFL fans. Audacy says the NFL Attention Index is “built around three dimensions – avidity, imgengagement, and performance – the Index reveals where NFL fandom is strongest, how the most passionate fans express that fandom, and what it means for brands trying to reach them.” Audacy says the data show avid sports fans gravitate to radio shows and podcasts: 82% of avid NFL fans listen to sports podcasts; 81% listen to sports talk radio; 81% listen to sports play-by-play – spending more time with those programs than they do with TV highlights, social media, and live game TV. Audacy says that for advertisers, NFL super fans are a gold mine as those exposed to radio ads show Awareness at 56%, Consideration at 49%, Purchase at 51%, and Loyalty at 41%. See the full story here.

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Audacy Virginia Stations Raise $15k for Tunnel to Towers Foundation

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Audacy’s Richmond, Virginia radio stations – news/talk WRVA and sports talk WRNL-AM “910 The Fan” – teamed up for the inaugural “Swing Fore Heroes” golf tournament, presented by Veterans Fire Protection. Thirty teams of four competed at Hunting Hawk Golf Club in Ashland, Virginia and helped raise more than $15,000 for the Tunnel to Towers Foundation whose mission is to pay off mortgages for the families of fallen first responders and Gold Star families, as well as build custom, mortgage-free “smart homes” for severely injured service members.

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New Skydance Company in Control of CNN

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The merger of Paramount and Warner Bros. Discovery became official today as the companies come together under the new moniker Skydance, led by CEO David Ellison. The new company also includes the two news divisions CBS News and CNN. TALKERS publisher Michael Harrison (right inside) was a guest this morning (10/6) on Newsmax TV’s “Wake Up America” program co-hosted by Mark Lotter (l) and Sharla McBride (r) along with veteran journalist Dennis Kneale (left inside) to provide analysis about what the merger will mean to CNN’s programming. The question was: will the change of ownership push CNN’s programming to the “center” or “right?” Harrison said that “ratings and revenue” will ultimately determine CNN’s political positioning regardless of who owns it. He explained – from an industry programming perspective – it is a mistake to assume that like-minded TV news channels are allies. You can see the Newsmax segment here.

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Andy Hooser Partners with Salem Media for Daily Show

Talk host Andy Hooser’s Hooser Media Network – owner of his program “The Voice of Reason with Andy Hooser” – announces a imgnew deal for the Salem Radio Network to serve as the new home for his daily 5:00 pm to 6:00 pm ET program. Additionally, the two-hour weekend version of “The Voice of Reason” currently distributed through the Salem Radio Network, expands to three hours. Hooser comments, “We are excited for the new opportunities working closely with Salem Radio on the program as we continue to grow, becoming one of the fastest-growing independent talk radio shows in the nation!”